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Author: Subject: Last Bidder Cannot made the Bids Even?
wizard



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posted on 6/9/2020 at 08:26 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Last Bidder Cannot made the Bids Even?

I am confused.
The original Canadian Rule stated that if the last to bid was leading on the scorepad he/she could not make the bids even. Nobody liked this rule and nobody played games using it. Consequently, the rule was watered down to only apply on the last hand of the game.
Now we have the German game available and a lot of players love the "no even bids" rule. This dichotomy confounds me. Can someone explain what is going on here?

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verona



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posted on 7/9/2020 at 02:31 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Ken--- in my opinion, and the reason that I fit your description, is that I believe the old Canadian rule "penalized" only the LEADER. If that person was in the lead, they had a disadvantage. The reason I like the new German version is that EVERYONE is potentially "penalized" and forced to make an uneven bid. For example, in a 5 person game, 10 hands, everyone is then forced twice to make an uneven bid, whether they like it or not.

The old Canadian rule, in my opinion, was detrimental to players who were winning. The new German rule is not detrimental to anyone, as everyone has to deal with it, not just the person who has done well prior to dealing.

Yes, I understand your logic. However, the original rule did not occur frequently and was intended to do 2 things. (a) provide an opportunity for the others to come from behind. (b) prevent the leader from coasting to a victory on the last hand by making an even bid. Note that the leader was never forced to make an almost impossible bid because he could always bid zero. Even if all that was held was a Wizard and could not bid 1, the wizard could always be dumped on another wizard.
In the German game 'everyone has to deal with it' provides no rationale for the rule's existence. Wizard is designed to encourage skill over luck. The German rule forces players to make bids that they would never make if they were simply bidding normally. e.g. In hand number 2 and all of the other players bidding zero, and the last bidder has 2 Wizards, or a Wizard and an Ace of Trump the bid cannot be 2. Illogical and unfair.
i.e. I really do not want to 'punish' anyone.

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aniram



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posted on 9/9/2020 at 05:55 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Canadian rule

My personal feeling is that CR reeks of socialism. Yep, let's penalize the person winning !

I also find even bids not as exciting as forced uneven bids. Sure, if one has blue cards, (Wizards and Jesters,) even bids can be great fun because of the set potential.

German Rule Wizard

Always having to keep in mind that at least one player is guaranteed to NOT to make their bid gives me an extra adrenaline rush!

German rule is like playing Musical Chairs every single round. Am I quick enough to land on a chair (make my bid) , and if not, does it behoove me to knock down multiple chairs or a single, targeted chair?

Because bids can't ever be even, I think it makes it easier, if needed, to be more disruptive.

Guaranteed fun suspense, even when dealt a mediocre hand, thanks to German rule !!

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rwbhab



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posted on 7/10/2020 at 09:01 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Leave the game as it is. If people want to have forced uneven bid, then play the German game.
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posted on 8/10/2020 at 02:38 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
We have ALWAYS played uneven bids for EVERY hand.

Cut-throat.

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posted on 10/10/2020 at 05:50 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Make an option to "force" uneven bids with regular cards

The German Game cards are difficult to read for many (colors hard to see). Could there be an OPTION in a REGULAR GAME (non German) to have "forced un-even bid" as in German version?
So: where you can choose options to have "hidden bid" "delayed reveal" etc, there could be a choice to have "forced uneven bid".
What do you think?

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quote:
Originally posted by navalon
The German Game cards are difficult to read for many (colors hard to see). Could there be an OPTION in a REGULAR GAME (non German) to have "forced un-even bid" as in German version?
So: where you can choose options to have "hidden bid" "delayed reveal" etc, there could be a choice to have "forced uneven bid".
What do you think?


I agree with Navalon - I'd play more German games, if it was with "regular" cards.
I haven't found settings that I like for the cards in the German game; but I like the no even bid rule.

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